Leave it to Cleveland to screw up a good thing
The West Side Market is getting new display cases, and the vendors are not happy about it...and the city is not happy about the vendors rallying grass-roots opposition on city property. The city claims that the vendors were offered input; the vendors say otherwise. By the looks of the picture, the damn things are so tall that you can't serve a customer over one. Nothing like spending $3 million to fix something that wasn't broke.
Comments
Posted by: jeffrey smith
Posted on: July 30, 2007 10:22 PM
Apparently the market vendors have forgotten that in a socialist system, businesses aren't supposed to actually make money.
Posted by: Mell
Posted on: July 31, 2007 12:45 PM
Cleveland City government always know how to screw up a good thing. I like to think about the time when they wanted to set the terms with some guy named Peter Lewis who wanted to put his insurance company in a new building on Public Square. I think about what the city might be if all those people in buildings that say "Progressive" along the outerbelt were downtown. I'm sure that holding the line on tax abatements showed him! It's a great measure to see what happens when Democrats run a city for over 55 years of the last 65. Progressive ideas! Land, Bread, No More Masters! I think they tried to shake down some guy named Rockefeller, too, whose response was to leave town, just like most of my friends are trying to do now.
Posted by: Mell
Posted on: July 31, 2007 12:52 PM
Cleveland city government always knows how to screw up a good thing. I like to think about the time when they wanted to set the terms with some guy named Peter Lewis who wanted to put his insurance company in a new building on Public Square. I think about what the city might be if all those people in buildings that say "Progressive" along the outerbelt were downtown. I'm sure that holding the line on tax abatements showed him! The parking lot that is in that spot probably generates way more revenue with the 8.5% parking tax than the payroll taxes on tens of thousands of people. Cleveland is a wonderful yardstick to see what happens when Democrats hold a city for over 55 years since 1942. Progressive ideas! Land, Bread, No More Masters! I think the city governement once tried to shake down some guy named Rockefeller, too, whose response was to leave town, just like many of my highly educated friends are trying to do now.
Posted by: jeffrey smith
Posted on: July 31, 2007 09:48 PM
So the Cleveland democrats were too "progressive" (that is, after all, the new catchphrase now that the right has demonized "liberal")for Progressive Insurance? There is perhaps a bit of irony there.
Posted by: Jeffrey T. Verespej
Posted on: August 3, 2007 11:23 AM
Re: Progressive - I wouldn't blame that completely on city leaders (although they could have done more) but just as much on Peter B. Lewis' fanatical ego & fickle desire to make everyone bend to his whim.
And in regards to your highly educated friends - if they have the negative attitude about Cleveland that you have, then our great city probably isn't the place for them anyway. Give me people who realize what they have in front of them and are willing to be a part of the positive future instead.
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick
Posted on: August 3, 2007 12:01 PM
JTV-
I assume it's me you're addressing. Cleveland has been good to me. The only reason I'm not still living at W. 130 and Brookpark is that I married a woman who was working in Warren. That, and I can't find 5 acres to keep livestock on within the city limits. The problem with Cleveland as well as other major cities is not that they are misgoverned so much as overgoverned. Fewer nonsense laws,arts taxes and the like, and more enforcement of basic criminal law, please.
Posted by: bob
Posted on: August 3, 2007 01:29 PM
Mr. Quick said, "The problem with Cleveland as well as other major cities is not that they are misgoverned so much as overgoverned. Fewer nonsense laws,arts taxes and the like, and more enforcement of basic criminal law, please."
2 Republican mayors in Cleveland since 1942. 9 Democratic mayors during that span.
Now we know why Cleveland is over-governed and over taxed with little enforcement of basic criminal laws.
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick
Posted on: August 3, 2007 01:52 PM
I only came to Cleveland in '86, so refresh my memory, Bob: Which laws did George Voinovich work to repeal? Which business subsidies did he veto? Which taxes did he cut? Which dysfunctional school systems did he try to dismantle?
Ah, I see...
Posted by: Jeffrey T. Verespej
Posted on: August 7, 2007 08:59 AM
It wasn't an attack on you - and I undersand why people have problems with misgovernment completely (I second you on that...I'd love to sit down with the books and just start red lining crap).
I guess I was just sensitive to what started to seem like a bash Cleveland thread...